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trainRiderJ
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| 01-27-2010 01:11 AM / profile
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Number of matches per week (1, 2, or 1 best-of-three-maps)
Please discuss
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shdw.puppet
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| 01-27-2010 01:16 AM / profile
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oooh, I like the way 1 best of three sounds, but lets keep those to play-off only, otherwise matches will be too long.
I have no problem with 2 matches per week though.
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trainRiderJ
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| 01-27-2010 01:25 AM / profile
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For a best-of-three, it would be possible for each map to only last 25 or even 20 minutes. There wouldn't be as much time spent on any individual map, but still probably enough to determine who the better team is.
That said, ideally I would like to move TWL to a 2 match per week format, but I realize a lot of people might not be able to play that often.
I'm interested to see what people think here.
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Bodknocks
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| 01-27-2010 01:26 AM / profile
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I think a lot of the div1/div2 teams would drop if they had to schedule more than one match per week, because those are the teams playing in other leagues. And the div3/div4 teams are the ones that forfeit the most so I think it's best it's kept at one match a week.
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G-Mang
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| 01-27-2010 01:33 AM / profile
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I personally like having one match per week. Gives you plenty of time to strat and scrim on maps (also do RL stuff). Granted, next season we'll have most maps stratted from this season, but I don't think a free league really needs to concern itself with making sure it fills in as much game time as possible. We get plenty of play time with one match per week, especially in the time when we're also in other leagues (like the alienware arena, which brought matches to a painful 3/week). It's easier for people who want more matches to join multiple leagues than for people who want low matches to try to put more on their plate than they can deal with.
Best-of-three is definitely interesting, but USUALLY games will break down like this for me:
Either A: The game's rather short cause one team is considerably better than the other, and playing a bunch of maps is just overkill.
Or B: The teams are at least fairly close in skill and the match has a good back-and-forth that fills out most or all of the allotted match time, after which people are tired from the crazy shit that went down in the previous 30-40 minutes. Ends on a satisfying GG.
So for me,
1 match per week is preferred
Best-of-three would be acceptable
2 matches per week is too much
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cmabbott
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| 01-27-2010 01:34 AM / profile
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Agree with Bod, best to keep it at one for the same reasons..
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qpingu
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| 01-27-2010 01:36 AM / profile
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I do think that the matches could be longer/more frequent, but I'm not sure that a better solution exists. Two matches a week would be too much for most teams (although my team would like it) and a more rigid scheduling system would be required. Best of Three maps could work, but I think an opt-in system for the second match of the week would be cool. All teams would play on Monday, but a team could opt-in to play another match on Friday. Rankings wouldn't be affected providing the same system is in place and it would give higher level teams the chance to play more often.
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shdw.puppet
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| 01-27-2010 01:46 AM / profile
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or, an even better idea is keeping leagues the same frequency and scheduling yourselves on the ladders and playing matches there...
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Bodknocks
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| 01-27-2010 02:12 AM / profile
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Someone brought up changing the match length, which is a good idea that I hadn't considered. How about change the matches to 30 minutes per half instead of 20min? It would still be shorter than a BO3. 20 minute halves often feel like they end just a little too soon, like you never have enough time to get that extra round in.
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pandanna
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| 01-27-2010 02:36 AM / profile
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This is especially true since the games themselves go to 6 points...
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Rizzilio
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| 01-27-2010 07:34 AM / profile
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1 best of three maps sounds great to me.
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electricpostman
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| 01-27-2010 08:01 AM / profile
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Bodnock's post sounds good.
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shdw.puppet
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| 01-27-2010 08:36 AM / profile
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I second longer matches, we scrim in CEVO format (one half of 30 min) anyway, so why not match using that format?
20 minutes always seems way too short, there were several times I feel my team could have won if they had that extra ten minutes to really push it to the point.
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Leon Switch
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| 01-27-2010 09:59 AM / profile
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I'm going to have to disagree with longer match times here, because shorter halves encourage more dynamic play.
Sure, close games could have been won if one team had more time, but I prefer those situations over teams turtling to sustain their advantage.
Our team played a match on Follower where a team ran a heavy and an engineer on defence once they had a 2 point advantage. If that match had run for 20 min longer, it would have been a 20 min wasted imo.
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shdw.puppet
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| 01-27-2010 10:05 AM / profile
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Our team played a match on Follower where a team ran a heavy and an engineer on defence once they had a 2 point advantage.
oh god, I remember that. Oh well, you cant stop some teams from being douche bag majors and stopping the game entirely.
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cc//Vengeance
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| 01-27-2010 10:10 AM / profile
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2 a weeks will discourage some teams from playing the league, especially when ESEA is already 2 a week.
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RedTerror
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| 01-27-2010 10:13 AM / profile
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Keep it at 1 per week please. TWL + ESEA scheduling fits perfectly, but going to 2-per-week makes that a lot more challenging.
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K1Fe88.
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| 01-27-2010 11:54 AM / profile
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best of three with the same time!!! haha
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CaptainCoors
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| 01-27-2010 12:11 PM / profile
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1 a week, stick with 2-20 min halves.
Bo3 will take forever to complete, even shortened to 20 minutes per map. People will take breaks betweeen maps, restart computers, etc.
Bo3 is fun for the qualifying/playoffs though, keep it there.
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Spookyman-X
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| 01-27-2010 12:24 PM / profile
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We have enough trouble scheduling as it is. If we had to compete in a Best of Three format I don't think we'd ever play a full match. I'd rather just keep it to 2 20-minute halves; I have no preference as to the number of matches per week, though.
Post edited by Spookyman-X at 1/27/2010 12:25:07 PM
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eXtine
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| 01-27-2010 12:27 PM / profile
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1 a week, no bo3.
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