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Bigguns 93
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| 07-13-2007 11:14 AM / profile
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BAGHDAD - an American raid captured a police lieutenant accused of leading an Iranian-backed militia cell, the military said.
The captured lieutenant was a "high-ranking" leader of a cell suspected of helping coordinate Iranian support for Shiite extremists in Iraq as well as carrying out roadside bombings against mortar attacks on U.S. and Iraqi forces, the military said. The lieutenant is believed to be linked to the Quds Force, a branch of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards, it said.
A spokesman for the Iraqi Interior Ministry, which controls the police, said he had no immediate information on the clash and refused to comment.
The U.S. military accuses Iran's Quds Force of organizing Shiite militants into so-called "special groups" and arming them with weapons and explosives — including a particularly deadly form of roadside bombs called explosively formed penetrators. Iran denies the claims.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070713/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq;_ylt=Ah8gDouZmdsdrCjbTZA0pLNvaA8F
An important step in stabilizing Iraq will be ending the infiltration of the police by militia and insurgents. Iran's influence in the instability of Iraq is often overlooked or diminished, but more and more they seem to be the key factor.
While al Qaida is being dealt serious losses in Iraq and Sunni's in Iraq are turning against al Qaida in greater numbers, the remaining part of the crisis is foriegn influence from Iran and Syria.
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Killet
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Andural69
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| 07-13-2007 11:52 AM / profile
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Can't wait until Saudi Arabia and Iran are involved in a full fledged war.
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[-NM-] -SS-
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| 07-13-2007 12:14 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: Andural69
Can't wait until Saudi Arabia and Iran are involved in a full fledged war.
Saudi Arabia would lose by sheer weight of numbers unless a foriegn power intervened on their behalf.
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=>PX<=Major
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| 07-13-2007 12:28 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-
Originally posted by: Andural69
Can't wait until Saudi Arabia and Iran are involved in a full fledged war.
Saudi Arabia would lose by sheer weight of numbers unless a foriegn power intervened on their behalf.
I don't believe that, SA has more tech and better trained military don't they?
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| 07-13-2007 01:02 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: =>PX<=Major
Originally posted by: [-NM-] -SS-
Originally posted by: Andural69
Can't wait until Saudi Arabia and Iran are involved in a full fledged war.
Saudi Arabia would lose by sheer weight of numbers unless a foriegn power intervened on their behalf.
I don't believe that, SA has more tech and better trained military don't they?
Saudis have our downgraded equipment but I have little faith in their overall training - especially their ground troops. The Iranians train more then the Saudis do and have a higher level of motivation.
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Completely separate from that: Were you aware that during the 1st Gulf War, American units spearheaded the invasion with our Arab allies behind them? Then, as we approached Kuwait City, we went into a halt and let their units pass us so that they could be the saviors.
Politics at its best, lol.
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Cocytus
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| 07-13-2007 01:24 PM / profile
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You are going to upset the sympathizers with these reports.
Iranians wouldn't be in Iraq if we were'nt there!
The war on terror is creating more Iranian terrorists!
Iranians like to vacation in war zones!
Bush is a bad man!
Cheney shoots guns at people!
Cindy Sheehan is our saviour!
Sean Penn says Iran is a friendly place!
MM says give us back our soldiers or else!
Bush is a bad man!
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Let's drive down roads with bombs!
Let's just ignore them!
Hey Cocytus havent the terrorists become stronger since we invaded Iraq?
Iraq and Afghanistan have been a blessing for Al Queada.
Post edited by Cocytus at 7/16/2007 1:49:13 AM
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=>PX<=Major
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| 07-13-2007 01:27 PM / profile
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Did anyone else read that AQ threatened Iran, to get out of Iraq or else?
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Pixël
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| 07-13-2007 01:40 PM / profile
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wake me up when we get to invade somebody new.
this is going too slow.
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MolimOrion
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| 07-13-2007 01:44 PM / profile
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Maybe we should just invade Iran, and start driving down their roads every day. Then, they will put bombs next to the roads. Then, we will keep driving down those roads.
Those roads, in either country, are the road to success.
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samUwell
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| 07-13-2007 02:00 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: Cocytus
Iranians like to vacation in war zones!
just like european muslims like to vacation in Afghanistan an Iraq. hear it great this time of year.
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Coba|t
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| 07-13-2007 02:55 PM / profile
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Who would've guessed we would have to interact with Iraq's neighbors?
Lets ignore them and let them know just who the boss is!
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Bigguns 93
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| 07-14-2007 02:00 PM / profile
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I don't believe launching simultaneous invasions of every of Iraqs neighbors would have been the answer, then you have to invade their neighbors, and eventually your invading your own country.
It would seem a reasonalbe expectation that if the Iraq infrastructure and army was rebuilt, they would keep out foriegn insurgents.
Since the first step has not been accomplished it has led to other difficulaties.
If your saying we should now consider invading Iran to stop the problem that has its pros and cons. What is key is that they US is working to clamp down on key problem areas such as inflitration into police and army by insurgents and militia.
That will go along way to giving Iraqis confidence in their own system. In addition getting the Sunni to support the war against al Qaida and stopping the sectarian based interal fighting within Iraq are positive steps.
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SammySoc
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| 07-14-2007 05:31 PM / profile
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Hey Cocytus havent the terrorists become stronger since we invaded Iraq?
Ok just checking.
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Bigguns 93
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| 07-14-2007 05:41 PM / profile
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Strange, I thought people would have picked up on that story and how a "secret" administration report that leaks the strength of al Qaida as growing would actually support the administrations desire to stay in Iraq and bolster the war efforts.
Think about it for a second.
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SammySoc
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| 07-14-2007 06:22 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: Bigguns 93
Strange, I thought people would have picked up on that story and how a "secret" administration report that leaks the strength of al Qaida as growing would actually support the administrations desire to stay in Iraq and bolster the war efforts.
Think about it for a second.
Yes because if they've gotten stronger after 4 years...lets spend another 10! Hell if we spend the rest of my life there we might help AlQuaeda enough that they'll finally be able to achieve world domination.
How about you think about it.
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| 07-14-2007 06:22 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: Bigguns 93
I don't believe launching simultaneous invasions of every of Iraqs neighbors would have been the answer, then you have to invade their neighbors, and eventually your invading your own country.
Nobody said we should invade Iraqs neighbors, that you bring it up is odd to say the least.
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samUwell
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| 07-14-2007 06:38 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: SammySoc
Yes because if they've gotten stronger after 4 years...lets spend another 10! Hell if we spend the rest of my life there we might help AlQuaeda enough that they'll finally be able to achieve world domination.
its a trap!
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Stryk
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| 07-14-2007 07:17 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: SammySoc
Originally posted by: Bigguns 93
Strange, I thought people would have picked up on that story and how a "secret" administration report that leaks the strength of al Qaida as growing would actually support the administrations desire to stay in Iraq and bolster the war efforts.
Think about it for a second.
Yes because if they've gotten stronger after 4 years...lets spend another 10! Hell if we spend the rest of my life there we might help AlQuaeda enough that they'll finally be able to achieve world domination.
How about you think about it.
And they wouldn't have gotten stronger without us being there?
Troops stationed in Saudi Arabia, Muslim holy land, to contain Saddam and the hardship on the Iraqi people due to sanctions were huge selling points for AQ. Us being in Iraq has not given them anything more to ralley around than they had before.
Have we given them opportunity to shoot at Americans they didn't have. Perhaps. But are we going to cower in North America because of it?
Post edited by Stryk at 7/14/2007 7:18:52 PM
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SammySoc
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| 07-14-2007 07:49 PM / profile
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Originally posted by: Stryk
And they wouldn't have gotten stronger without us being there?
Ok..well after the "wmd/sadaam hussein is an evil man" excuse played out, I WAS TOLD, we were fighting terrorism. I WAS TOLD by you people on these forums, and by our government, that us being in Iraq would help fight terrorism. NOT ONLY has Iraq not helped the war on terror, it has in fact hurt the war on terror.
So now you're telling me us being in IRAQ didnt effect the war on terror? And it was in fact something else entirely? I think you should get your copouts correct imo. Didnt the article say they havent been this strong since 9/11? So what major event happened with us, and the middle east, since 9/11? Thats right folks. Iraq. Connect the dots. And no, I'm not saying we should do nothing in North America. I'm saying that what we're doing in Iraq, is helping terrorism.
The way I see it I can look at this in 2 ways. 1) There is a correlation between Iraq and terrorism, and our presence in Iraq has helped terrorism. 2) Iraq has had no effect on terrorism, which means you lied to me about terrorist activities in Iraq, which means I cant trust a single word you ever say ever again, because you're a liar. You choose which scenario fits your agenda better.
Post edited by SammySoc at 7/14/2007 9:09:37 PM
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Miracle-Man
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| 07-14-2007 08:09 PM / profile
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Iraq and Afghanistan have been a blessing for Al Queada. It's like a massive bill board, saying the Infidels are trying to destroy us.
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