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trainRiderJ
Competition Manager
NA Game Operations
Team Fortress 2

04-08-2009 05:38 PM / profile

TWL is committed to providing the best possible playing experience for our players. Therefore we've taken a look at our current league map rotation and removed all but the most universally-liked maps. We will let the community decide how to best fill the rotation from there.

We want to have 8 maps in our standard league rotation. Currently, we have granary, badlands, and gravelpit. We ask that each of you selects five maps from the following list to complete the rotation. After all votes have been counted, the five maps with the most votes will be added to the standard TWL league rotation.

When following the links to the various custom maps, make sure to grab the most up-to-date version of the map from the thread in order to evaluate the map.

Please note that the upcoming preseason default map schedule will contain stock maps, however teams are encouraged to agree to change the map to any custom map they are thinking about voting about, in order to get a better opinion. In fact, since the preseason standings will have no affect on placement, it's even encouraged to play a different map for each half, and/or play a longer game than you normally would otherwise.

Push
fastlane
follower - http://www.vilepickle.com/map/screens/tf2_cp_follower/
fool hill - http://etf2l.org/forum/mapcomp/topic-1950/
freight - http://www.fpsbanana.com/maps/59565
greenvalley - http://www.gotfrag.com/tf2/forums/thread/394094/
hillside - http://etf2l.org/forum/mapcomp/topic-2081/
outlaw - http://etf2l.org/forum/mapcomp/topic-1965/
resonance - http://www.gotfrag.com/tf2/forums/thread/391402/
waste - http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?t=5934
well
worselands - http://etf2l.org/forum/mapcomp/topic-2009/
yukon - http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?t=5891
Play granary twice
Play badlands twice

Stopwatch
furnace creek - http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?t=5889
pro dustbowl - http://www.gotfrag.com/tf2/forums/thread/391400/
silvertrail - http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?t=5896
Play gravelpit twice

CTF
impact2 - http://vilepickle.com/map/screens/tf2_ctf_impact
mach4 - http://vilepickle.com/map/screens/tf2_ctf_mach
turbine

Voting Link:
http://www.teamwarfare.com/ballot/ballot.asp?ballotid=772

Results Link:
http://www.teamwarfare.com/ballot/results.asp?ballotid=772

Yes, I know that the ballot looks a little funky Just vote "yes" for the 5 maps you want and "no" for the rest. However, PLEASE take your time voting and try and get to know the maps and make the most informed decision possible.
Post edited by trainRiderJ at 4/14/2009 12:18:27 PM
tyir
TWL Member
04-08-2009 05:42 PM / profile

How long do we have to vote?

Also, excellent work admins
Post edited by tyir at 4/8/2009 5:52:26 PM
trainRiderJ
Competition Manager
NA Game Operations
Team Fortress 2

04-08-2009 05:49 PM / profile

Originally posted by: tyir
How long do we have to vote?

Registration should begin any day now, with the first preseason week soon after. Registration and map voting will continue throughout preseason, which should last three weeks.

We'll set a more firm "last day to vote" once preseason is underway.
Post edited by trainRiderJ at 4/8/2009 5:50:08 PM
tyir
TWL Member
04-08-2009 05:57 PM / profile

Request: could a mappack .zip be put together?
trainRiderJ
Competition Manager
NA Game Operations
Team Fortress 2

04-08-2009 06:01 PM / profile

Originally posted by: tyir
Request: could a mappack .zip be put together?

I can probably put together a map pack, but you guys will have to help me look for new versions of these maps so I can update the map pack accordingly. Many of these maps are still being tweaked based on community input and the ETF2L contest.

EDIT: Speaking of being tweaked, there are a few maps in this list that aren't 100% ready for actual play. Furnace creek, silvertrail, and outlaw come to mind. I included them in the list because there's still a possibility they'll be completed in time. There's also a small chance that if one of these maps isn't ready for week 1 but everybody loves it and it gets finished in the first half of our season, it could replace a less popular map in the second half.
Post edited by trainRiderJ at 4/9/2009 11:59:49 AM
xHav0k
TWL Member
04-08-2009 07:44 PM / profile

I am incredibly dissapointed with the results thus far.

People are choosing to play the older maps twice, and choosing maps that have been played and are terrible for competition, like Turbine, Fastlane, and Mach 4. Pick some new stopwatch maps, and why does no one like follower?


Seriously, it's time for some change. It's sad to see some great new maps going 0 yes, 10 no already. It's also weird that a lot have the same exact results, hmm.
tordana
TWL Member
04-08-2009 08:26 PM / profile

Fastlane has been updated and is better.

No idea why people vote for CTF maps. I think it would simplify a lot of things to not have any.

Freight should 100% be in, that's about the only good custom map I've seen.
Post edited by tordana at 4/9/2009 12:04:15 AM
tyir
TWL Member
04-08-2009 08:44 PM / profile

We have weeks to vote. Please, try out these maps with your teams so you can make an informed decision. I'm hoping to have my team scrim every map before we vote
trainRiderJ
Competition Manager
NA Game Operations
Team Fortress 2

04-08-2009 09:11 PM / profile

Originally posted by: tordana
I'm personally voting no to a lot of customs because I've never heard of/played them. Same reason a lot of people are, I'd guess.

Then try them out!

We have at least three weeks until the regular season starts, there's no rush to vote. I honestly can't believe so many people have voted already.
Post edited by trainRiderJ at 4/8/2009 9:18:01 PM
NEKPED_
TWL Member
04-08-2009 09:22 PM / profile

Maybe we could do a few weeks of preseason with the customs that we are considering. Aye?
trainRiderJ
Competition Manager
NA Game Operations
Team Fortress 2

04-08-2009 09:24 PM / profile

Originally posted by: trainRiderJ
Please note that the upcoming preseason default map schedule will contain stock maps, however teams are encouraged to agree to change the map to any custom map they are thinking about voting about, in order to get a better opinion. In fact, since the preseason standings will have no affect on placement, it's even encouraged to play a different map for each half, and/or play a longer game than you normally would otherwise.
CopulatingDuck
Competition Staff
NA Ladder Admin
Team Fortress 2

04-08-2009 09:38 PM / profile

Voting against maps you've never heard of nor played is terrible, please please please download and check them out before you vote. There are some very good maps in there and it will be a shame not to incorporate some of them into league play.
Post edited by CopulatingDuck at 4/8/2009 9:39:18 PM
Barncow
TWL Member
04-08-2009 10:14 PM / profile

wow that is lame. why do granarylands twice when there are some actual quality customs out there?
TüRb!NE
TWL Member
04-08-2009 10:31 PM / profile

There are easily 5 quality maps in the cp push listing alone. I urge everyone that votes to check them out, if anything.
Aluminum Stud
TWL Member
04-08-2009 10:47 PM / profile

Wow, people, honestly check these maps out before you vote. If you don't care/didn't bother to check them out, then just abstain from the question.

I know it's early in the voting, but cp_resonance should definitely be higher voted than it is. It's doing worse than cp_fastlane right now and that just isn't right. I see that people are wanting duplicates of granary, gravelpit, and badlands. That's fine, since those are good maps, but come on; try out some new ones. This isn't CEVO-P or anything. If the map is a little flawed, we can find that out in this league and get some feedback out there so that hopefully there are more quality customs for the future.

There is my mini wall of text. Good day.
sishgupta
TWL Member
04-08-2009 10:55 PM / profile

I've played all of those maps except:
foolhill
outlaw
worselands
funrancecreek


heres how i voted:
freight
follower
fastlane
resonance
turbine


I feel that yukon isnt quite ready yet. The choke between pts 2-3 is...problematic.
Waste also has potential. I think I would have voted for it if I didn't love ctf.


thanks for the poll, i appreciate TWL's interest in my interest for the selection of maps
marginal
Competition Staff
NA Ladder Admin
Team Fortress 2

04-09-2009 01:44 AM / profile

Check out the maps and vote. Now is your chance to have a voice.

Personally, I voted for:

Resonance - Best custom push map
Waste - Also very good
Well - Love me the classics
Turbine - Love me the Turbine
Greenvalley - Most potential of all of the rest IMO

Just make sure you get a chance to check out all of the maps before you vote.

wdf|marginal
TeamWarfare Competition Staff
Email: marginal@teamwarfare.com
IRC: #teamwarfare, #twl_tf2

tyir
TWL Member
04-09-2009 02:39 PM / profile

Originally posted by: trainRiderJ

We want to have 8 maps in our standard league rotation.


But from rules:

# 3.2 - Regular Season

Each regular season will last seven weeks and be scheduled, scored, and have ties broken according to the rules described in the “League Format” section.

7 or 8 weeks?
trainRiderJ
Competition Manager
NA Game Operations
Team Fortress 2

04-09-2009 02:56 PM / profile

It's 7, that was a typo in the OP. Also, I'm a big John Elway fan. I still think it's fine if people vote for 5 maps though, it might even be better that way.

EDIT: Thanks for reviewing the rules document though. I'm pretty confident that it's consistent, but if you guys spot anything that looks weird, please let me know.
Post edited by trainRiderJ at 4/9/2009 3:01:31 PM
Attean
TeamWarfare Vet
04-12-2009 07:07 PM / profile

My favorite is far and away Yukon. I definitely like follower as well and if you think it's just granary and badlands mixed together you've never played it, it plays nothing like those maps and is pretty. Waste is awesome but honestly I'd prefer pl_waste for something different. (Heavies are very good here)

edit: I also don't think this should've come to a vote, I mean soliciting community feedback is fine, but some people aren't intelligent/good enough to have an opinion on comp maps. Whoever is voting for turbine needs to be shot.
Post edited by Attean at 4/12/2009 7:09:10 PM
trainRiderJ
Competition Manager
NA Game Operations
Team Fortress 2

04-13-2009 12:07 AM / profile

At the risk of affecting the vote, I want to say that follower, resonance, waste, and yukon deserve a closer look by everybody
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